looking red arowana

[bahrul]

Originally Posted by JD Winata

Gue gak merasa si Bahrul nyinggung apa apa lho, emangnya lu yg dimarahin Rul?
Aro ngomelin siapa sich? sumpah gue gak ngerti tujuannya apa (pdhl udah baca 2x)
Cuma satu yg gue protes , Astaxanthin gak bisa disuntikan boss !, itu protein turunan chitine dsb diserap lewat absorsi makanan normal diperlukan di guanophore cell utk pigment warna merah dan orange ,cuma harus dgn bantuan photosyntesis UV utk jadi pigmen matang , Astax itu protein jenuh lho disuntikkan ke ikan bisa tewas tuh ikan .

Kagalah Om JD, ane kagak merasa dimarahin, cuma diskusi tuker pikiran masalah arwana dilarang di USA. Gitu Om ..

Astaxanthin gak bisa disuntikan maksudnya kagak ada pengaruhnya ya Om ke warna arwana, sama juga dgn CR8 ya Om ...

[Arowana]

Originally Posted by bahrul

Sorry Bos, ane minta maaf jika selera humor ane kagak lucu.
Ane cuma belum ngarti alasannya kenapa dan cuma negara USA aja yg kagak bolehin perdagangan arwana sedangkan negara lain kagak dilarang, kan aneh Bos. Arwana sudah bisa diternakin, perdagangannya diawasin kagak boleh sembarangan, harus punya ijin pula.

Yang gue tau semakin dilarang, orang semakin penasaran Bos, sekaligus menggiurkan buat orang coba nyelundipin tuch arwana. Dampak negatifnya lebih banyak lagi buat arwana sendiri, mati waktu coba diselendupin. Mustinya arwana irian tuch yg kagak boleh diperdagangkan karena setau ane, belum bisa diternakin, di USA malah dibolehin, ane kagak ngarti kenapa. Sebanyak2nya di alam, kalau diambilin terus, kagak ada yg ternakin, lama2 abis. Voluntir WWF, siapa bilang voluntir, gaji dan tunjangan mereka gede Bos, di dukung LSM tingkat dunia. Ane malah kagak setuju perdagangan kayu, sebab kayu butuh waktu lama pertumbuhannya. Mungkin Bos Arowana, bisa jelasin ke ane, kenapa hanya USA yg melarang perdagangan Arwana

Sorry Bos, kalau ada kata2 ane yg menyinggung. Peace ...

Iya Boss, ... BoM, terorist, dkk... , emang ndak lucu pan ...?

Ane juga kagak ngerti kalo urusan USA ngelarang larang mah ...

Soal Voluntir WWF, gaji & tunjangan
Titik pandang saya voluntir dlm arti luas, bukan perorangan, intinya voluntir ngapain bela belain Orang Utan takut punah, wong tuan rumahnya juga cuek bebek aja koq.
Kalo ngomong LSM, tentunya sgl sesuatu perlu biaya operasional terlepas dr besar kecil gaji & tunjangan, cuma inti dari semua itu pan nyelametin endangerous spesies.
Beda kalo biaya operasional buat ngembangbiakan trus dijual & hitung2x profit share, ini pan namanya dagang bukan voluntir
Gitu lho ...!

Ato memang dikondisikan ...
Kayu diambil --- Hutan Rusak --- Binatang jd masuk Endangerous Species --- Ada penyelamatan --- LSM dana dari pemanfaatan kayu

Ato memang :
Kayu diambil --- Hutan rusak --- Binatang jd masuk Endangerous species --- tuan rumah cuek bebek --- LSM tergerak untuk generasi mendatang biar ndak lht difoto aja.

Silahkan ditebak tebak aja.


Kembali urusan Aro, kalo dilihat sejarah awalnya ikan tersebut naik daun, banyak unsur mitos yg menyertainya shg akhirnya mempunyai nilai ekonomis yg tinggi sbg dampak meningkatnya demand.
Nach kalau udah menyangkut mitos, yg paling berkepentingan disini biasanya dunia timur
Sementara dunia barat lebih cenderung sebaliknya

Berangkat dari mitos, demand naik harga jadi tinggi, nach disini urusan bisnis mulai bermain, sementara popolasi & teknologi Aronya sendiri masih minim (Hal yg paling gampang, coba cari buku Aro yg bisa ngupas tuntas scr ilmiah, susah khan)
Nach, barangkali krn teknologinya masih blm optimal, mending di banned aja dulu kata si USA, lumayan mengurangi konsumsi 1 negara dari pasokan yg ada, jadi mungkin kalo mau punah juga ya bisa agak lebih lama gitu,lumayan khan 2 ato 3 generasi manusia selanjutnya masih bisa melihat wujudnya.
Kalo ndak di banned, tahu sendiri investor2x dari dunia timur yg bakal jd konsumen di USA brp banyak.
Jadi hitung hitung bantu bantu nyelametin species ARO dr kepunahan juga pan.

Nach skrg yg paling merasa dirugikan tentunya, tuan rumah yg tadinya cuek bebek skrg tahu species ARO nya bernilai ekonomis tinggi, sementara ada pasar cukup potensial nge-banned, jadinya ribut ribut gini gono dech ...

Bandingannya, ndak ada ya yg nanya "koq kenapa USA melarang perdagangan "ORANG UTAN" !!!

Kurang lebihnya mohon dimaapin , semoga ndak ada yg singgung tersinggung
Ini mah cuma forum, sekedar bertukar pikiran, ada yg setuju ato ndak mah biasa pan ...!!!

[Arowana]

Originally Posted by JD Winata

Gue gak merasa si Bahrul nyinggung apa apa lho, emangnya lu yg dimarahin Rul?
Aro ngomelin siapa sich? sumpah gue gak ngerti tujuannya apa (pdhl udah baca 2x)
Cuma satu yg gue protes , Astaxanthin gak bisa disuntikan boss !, itu protein turunan chitine dsb diserap lewat absorsi makanan normal diperlukan di guanophore cell utk pigment warna merah dan orange ,cuma harus dgn bantuan photosyntesis UV utk jadi pigmen matang , Astax itu protein jenuh lho disuntikkan ke ikan bisa tewas tuh ikan .

Kite di forum mah, kagak perlu marah marah & singgung menyinggung prof !!!
Saya cuma berkomentar sesuatu yg berhubungan dg Bom, teroris, itu bukan suatu bahan lucu lucuan

Dan ndak ada yg saya omelin

Astax disuntik !!!
Sy pikir semua orang sering baca diforum ini dan ngerti bahwa astax disuntiknya bukan lsg ke Aro.
(Nyuntik Astax ke Jangkrik,ke kodok, ke Ikan mas,...)
Thanks ralatnya

[JD Winata]

Bukan CR8 cuma CR5 dan CR6 , itu bahan hormon synthetis lho bukan astaxanthin , hormon itu macu warna matang gonadnya sang ikan /warna kawinan , kalo ikan belum dewasa diberi gituan bisa ngebantet (kerdil) dan biasanya CR5 dan CR6 lbh efektif utk ikan jantan saja.
BTW astax itu protein jenuh lho ,kalo kita suntikkan ke umpan maka harus dibentuk jadi liquid dulu , protein astax tdk gampang terurai dalam air saja lho ,coba deh larutkan dalam air maka yg larut hanya buffer powdernya saja

[rianfish]

mungkin dilarang masuk U.S, krn mrk nggak mau stok devisa Indo bertambah dari ekspor Aro, krn jumlah USD nya cukup menjanjikan tuh kalo dibuka, untungnya apa buat U.S? timbal balik ikan hias mrk? tdk ada ato sedikit banget. Mrk juga ada alasan, takut lepas ke alam, krn aro ikan predator, bisa berbahaya buat ikan lokal.
Jadi Indo cukup dgn kayu dan minyak bumi aja deh (plus uranium di Papua ), timbal baliknya apa buat Indo,..........buat pejabatnya mah jelassss, buat rakyat? Puluhan tahun jadi negeri penghasil minyak, tp kagak (dikasih) tau cara pengolahannya, tau kan jawabnya?
Tapi orang utan dan Harimau banyak jg ya di US. mungkin dr bbrp negara di Asia, tp apa Harimau bukan predator?
Ngomong2 saat ini, banyakan mana ya, aro di ALam dgn aro di penangkaran, terutama SR.

[Martin]

Originally Posted by rianfish

...Ngomong2 saat ini, banyakan mana ya, aro di ALam dgn aro di penangkaran, terutama SR.

Kayaknya sih lebih banyak di peternakan. Di danau Sentarum, katanya udah sulit lihat SR

[Arowana]

[quote=rianfish]Jadi Indo cukup dgn kayu dan minyak bumi aja deh (plus uranium di Papua ), timbal baliknya apa buat Indo,..........buat pejabatnya mah jelassss, buat rakyat? Puluhan tahun jadi negeri penghasil minyak, tp kagak (dikasih) tau cara pengolahannya, tau kan jawabnya?
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He he he Nasib Nasib ...

TAHU KENAPA ........

[SR quality]

Originally Posted by JD Winata

Bukan CR8 cuma CR5 dan CR6 , itu bahan hormon synthetis lho bukan astaxanthin , hormon itu macu warna matang gonadnya sang ikan /warna kawinan , kalo ikan belum dewasa diberi gituan bisa ngebantet (kerdil) dan biasanya CR5 dan CR6 lbh efektif utk ikan jantan saja.
BTW astax itu protein jenuh lho ,kalo kita suntikkan ke umpan maka harus dibentuk jadi liquid dulu , protein astax tdk gampang terurai dalam air saja lho ,coba deh larutkan dalam air maka yg larut hanya buffer powdernya saja

om JDW - gimana cara pake CR6 ya? saya pake air panas utk larutin CR6 tapi tidak semua terlarut, jadi saat suntik ke jangkrik atau kodok, cuma airnya aja yg masuk.

dan gimana cara biar bisa di telan aro dgn sempurna, soalnya aro kalau udah kunyah jangkrik, isi perut semua di keluarin termasuk CR6nya.

sebelumnya saya ucapkan tks.

[oneoddfish]

this is the english forum!!!!! So please use english so we all can understand posts.. Because I have the same question myself so it would save double posting......THANK'S Jerry L Brown

[surya]

Originally Posted by oneoddfish

this is the english forum!!!!! So please use english so we all can understand posts.. Because I have the same question myself so it would save double posting......THANK'S Jerry L Brown

Here response from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service about Asian Arowana, I pasted for you from http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=38061

Thank you for your email concerning the importation and potential
downlisting of Asian arowana or bonytongue, Scleropages formosus under the
Endangered Species Act (ESA). I would like to share the perspective of the
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) on this issue of international
importance.

The species was listed as endangered in 1976 under the ESA. Endangered
foreign species, such as S. formosus, cannot be imported to the United
States for primarily commercial purposes even if they are captive-bred.
Importation for personal or hobby use would be considered commercial
activity. Furthermore, any importation of an endangered species,
captive-bred or not, must enhance the status of the species in the wild in
some direct way. In the past, the USFWS has approved the import of small
numbers of bonytongue for research and captive-breeding purposes. The
permittees in these cases are involved in research or re-introduction
programs that should help bolster wild populations of the fish.
Importation of farm-raised and selectively bred bonytongue does not, in our
view, enhance the wild populations directly. While captive-bred populations
of S. formosus may be abundant in Southeast Asia, their use does not
necessarily encourage the conservation of wild populations and may result
in unsustainable harvest for breeding stock. These fears have been echoed
by Indonesian scientists who I've consulted while visiting the country and
examining arowana farms.

Arowanas are also prohibited in international commerce by the Convention on
International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES),
except from approved captive-breeding facilities and where national law
does not prohibit it (such as with our ESA). CITES has recently concurred
with an Indonesian report that the species remains endangered throughout
its range by international trade. There are no current or planned research
initiatives known from any range country (Malaysia, Myanmar, Cambodia,
Laos, Vietnam, and Indonesia) to study the conservation status of wild S.
formosus. Thus, there is no known scientific basis for downlisting from
threatened to endangered under the ESA in any part of the species' range.
Until data are presented to the USFWS or gathered, it appears that
downlisting is not warranted.

If we can obtain information that indicates that wild Asian arowanas are no
longer in danger of extinction, the USFWS will prioritize the species for
downlisting to threatened status (perhaps on a country-by-country basis).
I am developing research initiatives to gather this information. If the
species is in fact downlisted to threatened status, U.S. hobbyists could
import captive-bred specimens with the appropriate ESA and CITES permits.
If you would like to learn more about the Endangered Species Act, please
visit our website at http://endangered.fws.gov/. If you would like to
learn more about the USFWS, foreign species, and CITES, visit our website
at http://international.fws.gov/ or telephone me at 703-358-1708.

Thank you for your interest in and committment to the conservation of the
"dragon fish." After seeing these animals in all their various colors, and
as an aquarist myself, I understand the public's desire to get these fish
into the American hobby legally. I look forward to working with dedicated
members of the public such as yourself as we continue our investigations of
this species' recovery in the wild.

John Field, Fisheries Specialist
Division of Scientific Authority
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
4401 North Fairfax Drive, Room 750
Arlington, VA 22203
USA

(+01) (703) 358-2496
(+01) (703) 358-2276 fax

[surya]

A California man is scheduled to face trial September 17, 2002, in U.S. District Court in Portland on charges related to the illegal importation and sale of Asian arowana, a unique, colorful fish native to Malaysia and Indonesia. The fish, which can sell for as much as $10,000 each, is protected as endangered under the federal Endangered Species Act. Importing them into the United States is illegal.

The trial was scheduled after Lloyd Gomez, 25, of Modesto, California, pleaded not guilty Friday, July 19, before U.S. District Judge Dennis Hubel. A federal indictment alleges that Gomez and Joe Lian Ho Luah of Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, conspired to import and sell the endangered fish, illegally transported them into the United States in violation of the Endangered Species Act, and falsified documents in an attempt to pass through U.S. Customs. The men also face one count of wire fraud, which charges them with using the Internet to communicate illegal activities via email. Gomez faces an additional charge of making false statements to law enforcement officials.

Each of the charges carries a maximum penalty of $250,000 and/or five years imprisonment. Gomez is free on personal recognizance pending trial. Luah remains in Canada.

The indictment alleges that Luah established a tropical fish business called Emperor Pond in Canada, where it is legal to import and sell captive-bred Asian arowana, and used that business to smuggle the fish to Gomez for illegal sale to customers in the United States. In furtherance of the conspiracy, the indictment alleges, Luah consigned a shipment of 11 Asian arowana to Gomez on September 9, 2001, from Edmonton, Alberta to Portland, Oregon, and falsely identified them in an invoice presented to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service as cichlids, tropical fish that are legal to import. Upon inspection by U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service agents, the fish were determined to be Asian arowana.

Asian arowana are very popular among aquarium hobbyists because of their vibrant colors, unique shape, and air of mystery. The fish has large scales and barbels, which resemble horns, giving them the nickname "dragonfish." Asian arowana, are believed to symbolize luck, wealth, prosperity and strength.


Asian arowana have three natural color variations: golden, red, and green. Breeders in Asia have created several other variations by interbreeding the fish. Due to their great demand, Asian arowana can sell for as much as $10,000, depending on the variety and quality. Wild populations of Asian arowana have severely declined, causing them to be listed as an Appendix I species under the Convention on the International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES). Trading of the wild fish is illegal. However, 23 CITES-registered breeding facilities in Asia are producing fish that can be exported for sale. These fish are legal to export to Canada and elsewhere, but not to the United States, where they are protected and the importation of either captive-bred or wild Asian arowana is prohibited.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is the principal Federal agency responsible for conserving, protecting and enhancing fish, wildlife and plants and their habitats for the continuing benefit of the American people. The Service manages the 95-million acre National Wildlife Refuge System which encompasses nearly 540 national wildlife refuges, thousands of small wetlands and other special management areas. It also operates 70 national fish hatcheries, 64 fishery resource offices and 78 ecological services field stations. The agency enforces Federal wildlife laws, administers the Endangered Species Act, manages migratory bird populations, restores nationally significant fisheries, conserves and restores wildlife habitat such as wetlands, and helps foreign governments with their conservation efforts. It also oversees the Federal Aid program that distributes hundreds of millions of dollars in excise taxes on fishing and hunting equipment to state fish and wildlife agencies.

NOTE: This news release and others can be viewed on either the Service's Pacific Regional home page on the Internet at http://www.r1.fws.gov or the National home page at: http://www.fws.gov/r9extaff/renews.html

[azura]

useful info bro ..... thumbs up 4 u

[surya]

Your welcome bro