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Old 01-28-2009, 12:36 AM   #1
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Default lampu metal halide bulb 20000K

Bros, kebetulan kan ada iklannya tuh di forum, saya mau nanya apa sudah ada yang punya pengalaman dengan Kelvin hingga 20.000?? berbahaya kah untuk tanning aro???
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Old 01-28-2009, 12:52 AM   #2
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kalo saya disuruh pake entar dulu , 20000k itu udah tinggi apalagi kena 70w dan 150w untuk 1 lampu.. itu buat ikan2 gede dan ini kayanya bagus buat aquascape/air laut. kalo mau coba sih terserah ya hati2 gosong bro.
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Old 01-28-2009, 01:13 AM   #3
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kalo saya disuruh pake entar dulu , 20000k itu udah tinggi apalagi kena 70w dan 150w untuk 1 lampu.. itu buat ikan2 gede dan ini kayanya bagus buat aquascape/air laut. kalo mau coba sih terserah ya hati2 gosong bro.
boss tanya dong, bohlamnya ko model bgitu yah....?ko mirip lampu studio buat suting gw yg 1000 watt ...
gw dl perna dikasi bekas, bulb model TL yg 40wtt, katanya MH..fisiknya beda berulir kaya mata bor, terangnya si minta ampun...sori apa gw salah..
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Old 01-28-2009, 01:15 AM   #4
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kalo saya disuruh pake entar dulu , 20000k itu udah tinggi apalagi kena 70w dan 150w untuk 1 lampu.. itu buat ikan2 gede dan ini kayanya bagus buat aquascape/air laut. kalo mau coba sih terserah ya hati2 gosong bro.
Kalo untuk Aqscape Air Tawar belum pernah pake lampu yang temp K-nya diatas 10,000 K. Kalo sudah diatas 10,000 K, cocoknya untuk Aq air laut. Pasti mantaf tuh hasilnya.
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Old 01-28-2009, 01:33 AM   #5
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boss tanya dong, bohlamnya ko model bgitu yah....?ko mirip lampu studio buat suting gw yg 1000 watt ...
gw dl perna dikasi bekas, bulb model TL yg 40wtt, katanya MH..fisiknya beda berulir kaya mata bor, terangnya si minta ampun...sori apa gw salah..
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ini model2nya persis kaya lampu tembak/sorot gitu bro kalo gak salah ya, model2 kolam kecil trus disorot dari atas kaya lampu hiasan cuma dalemnya mungkin bisa diisi lampu ginian. ada juga yang model ulir dan model2 PL juga ada, lampu berkelvin tinggi sih umumnya gak terang2 sekali seperti bohlam putih yah, mereka agak redup dan kena mata ga begitu silau seperti bohlam biasa cuma tergantung juga dari wattnya makin tinggi makin terang.

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Kalo untuk Aqscape Air Tawar belum pernah pake lampu yang temp K-nya diatas 10,000 K. Kalo sudah diatas 10,000 K, cocoknya untuk Aq air laut. Pasti mantaf tuh hasilnya.
yoi, ati2 kena algae lho lumutnya bisa kaya brewokan kalo pake 20000k
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Old 01-28-2009, 01:41 AM   #6
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Bros, kebetulan kan ada iklannya tuh di forum, saya mau nanya apa sudah ada yang punya pengalaman dengan Kelvin hingga 20.000?? berbahaya kah untuk tanning aro???
Saya mengkwatirkan kesehatan dari mata aronya. Jangankan lihat lampu itu, mata saya sendiri aja lihat AB sangat gak nyaman.
Mungkin ada tehnik penyinaran yg agak tidak mengganggu kesehatan mata ??
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Old 01-28-2009, 03:19 AM   #7
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ini model2nya persis kaya lampu tembak/sorot gitu bro kalo gak salah ya, model2 kolam kecil trus disorot dari atas kaya lampu hiasan cuma dalemnya mungkin bisa diisi lampu ginian. ada juga yang model ulir dan model2 PL juga ada, lampu berkelvin tinggi sih umumnya gak terang2 sekali seperti bohlam putih yah, mereka agak redup dan kena mata ga begitu silau seperti bohlam biasa cuma tergantung juga dari wattnya makin tinggi makin terang.
tks bro
oh bgitu, kirain gw salah..
bulb bgitu pake casing kyk lampu sorot; spt biasa dipake di lap tennis juga kali yah...


apa mirip sm lampu suting gw ini...sori aga lama...nyari2 dolo ktemu jua hahaha
1000watt ...soal terang, bayangin tidur di sahara...gw rasa aro bisa item dlm seminggu hahaha abis tu tagihan listrik bla....bla...blaa...

oh ya ini bulbnya halogen, dijamin ini bukan lampu matahari lagi....lampu "Antares" ( bintang paling gede sejagad )..krn watt-nya gde ajah, klo kcil i dunno

ngemeng2 MH ama Halogen bedanya apa yah??brp"K" blum dapet infonya??
sori rekan2 NACers nanya molo nih????aseli gw buta bgt

bner si kt om richard tan, pake lampu ab ajah uda males liatnya palagi yg bginian
ada yg mo tanning pake lampu halogen, crazy man hehehee
keknya ntar lg ada yg mo nanya halogen versus MH??













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Old 01-28-2009, 07:55 AM   #8
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Bros, kebetulan kan ada iklannya tuh di forum, saya mau nanya apa sudah ada yang punya pengalaman dengan Kelvin hingga 20.000?? berbahaya kah untuk tanning aro???


saya ada pakai yang 70 watt buat palud tapi bukan khusus yang buat ikan tapi buat rumah..
terus semalam uda pesen sama jual lampu diiklan baris buat stok aja
lampu ini seharusnya buat akuarium air laut
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Old 01-28-2009, 04:19 PM   #9
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tks bro
oh bgitu, kirain gw salah..
bulb bgitu pake casing kyk lampu sorot; spt biasa dipake di lap tennis juga kali yah...

apa mirip sm lampu suting gw ini...sori aga lama...nyari2 dolo ktemu jua hahaha
1000watt ...soal terang, bayangin tidur di sahara...gw rasa aro bisa item dlm seminggu hahaha abis tu tagihan listrik bla....bla...blaa...

oh ya ini bulbnya halogen, dijamin ini bukan lampu matahari lagi....lampu "Antares" ( bintang paling gede sejagad )..krn watt-nya gde ajah, klo kcil i dunno

ngemeng2 MH ama Halogen bedanya apa yah??brp"K" blum dapet infonya??
sori rekan2 NACers nanya molo nih????aseli gw buta bgt

bner si kt om richard tan, pake lampu ab ajah uda males liatnya palagi yg bginian
ada yg mo tanning pake lampu halogen, crazy man hehehee
keknya ntar lg ada yg mo nanya halogen versus MH??
iya bro model2 kaya gitu tuh , MH ama halogen kayanya ga ada beda, kelvinnya juga sama, cuma biasanya lampu2 yang ber-MH powernya gede, lampu berpower gede gini rada gak cocok buat tanning aro, seperti yang dibilang oleh bos richard_tan hati2 ama mata ikan bisa buta, DE, etc. hati2 lah tanning aro pake watt gede untuk 1 lampu ditambah K-nya tinggi sekali.

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Metal halide lamps were initially preferred to mercury vapor lamps in instances where natural light was desired because of the whiter light generated (mercury vapor lamps generating light that was much bluer). However the distinction today is not as great. Some metal halide lamps can deliver very clean "white" light that has a color rendering index (CRI) in the '80s. With the introduction of specialized metal halide mixtures, metal halide lamps are now available that can have a correlated color temperature as low as 3000 kelvins (very yellow) to 20,000 kelvins (very blue). Some specialized lamps have been created for the spectral absorption needs of plants (indoor gardening) or animals (indoor aquariums).

Due to tolerances in the manufacturing process, color temperature can vary slightly from lamp to lamp, and the color properties of metal halide bulbs cannot be predicted with 100% accuracy. Moreover, per ANSI standards the color specifications of metal halide bulbs are measured after the bulb has been burned for 100 hours (seasoned). The color characteristics of a metal halide lamp will not conform to specifications until the bulb has been properly seasoned. Color temperature variance is seen greatest in "probe start" technology lamps (±300 kelvins).

Newer metal halide technology, referred to as "pulse start," has improved color rendering and a more controlled kelvin variance (±100 to 200 kelvins). The color temperature of a metal halide lamp can also be affected by the electrical characteristics of the electrical system powering the bulb and manufacturing variances in the bulb itself. If a metal halide bulb is underpowered it will have a lower physical temperature and its light output will be 'cooler' (more blue, or very similar to that of a mercury vapor lamp). This is because the lower arc temperature will not completely vaporize and ionize the halide salts which are primarily responsible for the warmer colors (reds, yellows), thus the more-readily ionized mercury will dominate the light output. This phenomenon is also seen during warmup, when the arc tube has not yet reached full operating temperature and the halides have not fully vaporized.

The inverse is true for an overpowered bulb, but this condition can be hazardous, leading possibly to arc-tube rupture due to overheating and overpressure. Moreover, the color properties of metal halide lamps often change over the lifetime of the bulb. Often, in large installations of MH lamps, particularly of the quartz arc-tube variety, it will be seen that no two are exactly alike in color.

Although an excellent source of lighting for the reef aquarium, there has been concern voiced by some aquarists over the potential ill-effects of close-range contact with metal halide lighting which is demanded by the hobby. Some individuals have noticed temporary blurred vision even after very brief exposure to metal halide lighting.
buat yang lain, kalo mau pake buat tanning aro sih pake lampu yang biasa2 saja dan udah banyak dibahas oleh bro JD dan member2 diforum sebelumnya. yang diiklan baris bukan 20000K tuh , coba baca kotak dusnya baik2, bisa bikin gosong ikan.
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iya bro model2 kaya gitu tuh , MH ama halogen kayanya ga ada beda, kelvinnya juga sama, cuma biasanya lampu2 yang ber-MH powernya gede, lampu berpower gede gini rada gak cocok buat tanning aro, seperti yang dibilang oleh bos richard_tan hati2 ama mata ikan bisa buta, DE, etc. hati2 lah tanning aro pake watt gede untuk 1 lampu ditambah K-nya tinggi sekali.

buat yang lain, kalo mau pake buat tanning aro sih pake lampu yang biasa2 saja dan udah banyak dibahas oleh bro JD dan member2 diforum sebelumnya. yang diiklan baris bukan 20000K tuh , coba baca kotak dusnya baik2, bisa bikin gosong ikan.
td gw ke web ushio..., blajar br dikit...
lampu halogen lbh cepet panas n umurnya pendek...dibanding mh..
smua sm; isi gasnya aja beda2 ada: xenon; mh...ada bbrp yg mmki mercury wow...danger jg neh
yup td gw baca2, baik halogen maupun mh, kelvinnya ga gde amat...paling antara 3000-5000...pdhal high voltage n wattnya gde smpe 1500watt
ada site bagus buat liat2 macam lampu: check 1000bulbs
nah yg really 20.000k sperti apa sii...


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Old 01-28-2009, 09:46 PM   #11
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td gw ke web ushio..., blajar br dikit...
lampu halogen lbh cepet panas n umurnya pendek...dibanding mh..
smua sm; isi gasnya aja beda2 ada: xenon; mh...ada bbrp yg mmki mercury wow...danger jg neh
yup td gw baca2, baik halogen maupun mh, kelvinnya ga gde amat...paling antara 3000-5000...pdhal high voltage n wattnya gde smpe 1500watt
ada site bagus buat liat2 macam lampu: check 1000bulbs
nah yg really 20.000k sperti apa sii...


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heheh..
kaya si janet jackson tuh kena bohlam pecah watt gede trus rambutnya kebakar waktu mau konser .
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wah, trims pencerahannya bros smua.
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kl mau pake lampu MH, khusus utk dikolam, kl di aquarium jaraknya harus min 1meter dr permukaan air dan volum air min 300ltr , n harus cek temp air, soalnya lampu MH panas bgt.
kl utk dikolam kan jaraknya udah pasti jauh dan terekspos udara,jg nggak terlalu masalah.
kl buat di aquarium, ud pernah coba 1x uk 120x50x50 pake yg 150 w. jarak lampu cuma 50cm,temp air naik jadi 30C, dan temp didlm rumah jadi panas, nggak recomend buat di aquarium aro.
di kotaknya ditulis 22-25k, tapi yg keluar cuma 20k
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td gw ke web ushio..., blajar br dikit...
lampu halogen lbh cepet panas n umurnya pendek...dibanding mh..
smua sm; isi gasnya aja beda2 ada: xenon; mh...ada bbrp yg mmki mercury wow...danger jg neh
yup td gw baca2, baik halogen maupun mh, kelvinnya ga gde amat...paling antara 3000-5000...pdhal high voltage n wattnya gde smpe 1500watt
ada site bagus buat liat2 macam lampu: check 1000bulbs
nah yg really 20.000k sperti apa sii...


cheers
lampu yg keluar warnanya putih, spt neon yg biasa dipake di rumah, range 6500k-8000k, dibawah itu jadi warna kuning, diatas 10k warna putih kebiruan, diatas 15k warna biru lebih dominan
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